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The issue of an offensive alias e.g. alfqaeda

RJKrash
Lets have a discussion about this.  

I for one find the name offensive but...

I defend the RIGHT of the individual to use any name he/she chooses. This is the USA and #1 on the chart is FREE SPEECH! I also support the RIGHT of the players and hosts at DD to choose not to play with a player who chooses a name found to be offensive/obscene (in the same #1 position see Right of Assembly).

Someone who uses an alias that is found offensive by some and is informed politely is just being obstinate by continuing to use it. A player who chooses to continue to use an offensive name is just being discourteous and will not find him/herself on many invite lists. Nor in the long run will he/she get the enjoyment of playing in the comradely atmosphere that is one of the cornerstones of DD.

On the other hand a host who bans solely based on a name is abusing the accommodation required of a host.  A host of an open game is not the iatola and shouldn't be expected to and shouldn't adjudicate everyone's personal agendas including their own.  He/she is hosting to accommodate others in playing poker. Ask the player to change the alias, let him/her know the alias is offensive, ask him/her to leave your game.  But if there is no other disruptive behavior don't ban. Use the ban system for excluding real trouble makers.  Ban people for disruptive play, continuous offensive/vulgar language in chat, personal attacks on other players, cheat by playing multiple aliases in same game or because you know they are assholes. Ban especially if they carry lucky Irish Horseshoes in their pockets and they cheat but you can't prove it but you just KNOW.

In the specific case of alfqaeda I respectfully request that he change his alias to something that doesn't stir the sensibilities of so many and get on with playing poker at DD.  It would be the considerate thing to do.  

I will not ban him from any open games I host (unless I see him carrying a horseshoe and he wins too many of my chips, ;) ) but he will have to earn his way onto my invite only games list.  

Krash



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Ray64
Did anyone ask this player why they chose the name or what it means to them?  Seems like that should be a first step before judging them and before arriving at the ban option.

A player who is actually out to irritate or offend is going to let it be known through their actions.  We shouldn't be so quick to judge someone based on an alias.  Not to mention the alias isn't even spelled the same as what some people are finding offensive.
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RJKrash
Give me a break! you arrogant asshole. Shit nut I was just voicing an opinion not "telling us how to use ban.".  This is a current event at DD that has raised some issues and I just thought a discussion was in order.  Don't be such an asshole and jump down peoples throats just for speaking up.  You are not the last word on everything at DD although you try your damnedest to be.
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Ordinary Joe
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Intelligent people tend to create creative (screen names)aliases.Many people(including me)have jumbled up
a screen name that when the letters are rearranged say something that is offensive.If someone thinks that
they have discovered Osamas hidden tell,they haven't,Osama would be George W Bush.
Just a ordinary guy,with a ordinary outlook on life
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RJKrash
 
nwnut wrote
RJKrash wrote
On the other hand a host who bans solely based on a name is abusing the accommodation required of a host.  A host of an open game is not the iatola and shouldn't be expected to and shouldn't adjudicate everyone's personal agendas including their own.  He/she is hosting to accommodate others in playing poker.

Krash
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A host CAN BAN anyone, for ANY REASON.


To prove my point, I ban both of you; because it is Tuesday.
LMAO.  Cutting through your bullshit I agree with you Nut.  Again let me say I am not suggesting anyone ask anyone's permission to do anything.  Perhaps I could have used an alternative word other than required in the above.  Perhaps a better choice would have been expected or envisaged.  I did not intend to come across as dictative but it seems your turgid obdurate style precludes you from seeing that.

In my world there is a modicum level of civility expected during human discourse, obviously not in yours.  I fear it is a sad lonely world you live in my friend.  Sorry.
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bigfoot1
  I feel this is a legit subject for DEBATE !!Debate is a cool thing.Of course krash is right,as is nut.I think the beauty of dd is that a person can be a person,be themselves and find likeminded players to spend free time with.I had to ban a player the other night.I have hosted nearly 400 games and have banned 4 players in last few years.I think the last 3 were actaully the same person,or cut from the same cloth.
  I am not right or wrong in how and who I host,either is anybody else.If a host is an ass...soon they can play with few as people remember their treatment.

  If a host shows a good time...bam...their games fill quicker.
 
  I feel it is ok to be yourself and let the chips fall where they may.If you have an alias that offends,well it may take a little longer to meet everybody...but you will.Good play will shine through as well as table mannors.

  C'mon...when lucifer first joined...how many of you were offended only to meet him and now his alias has no meaning other than identifying him.DD would not be the same without him.Megadeath...Hostile Take Over ?two of the best players I know.Sound a little violent huh?It goes on and on.


  Do what ya want and live with it...everybody is right...I just dont care personally.

pat
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alfqaeda
a few thoughts:
  some have asked me about my tag, to which i have told them all the same thing.  my name is alf and one of my university friends made a crack "alfqaeda" one day and it just stuck as a funny joke nickname.

  while i understand that people have the right to deny me access to private games, being banned from "open" games for no other reason than my username is bogus.  i have proven to be a good player as well as a respectful chatter.  

  so on one hand, people say "well, just change your name because its offensive."  to me, this goes against the concept of what DD is...namely, a place for people to come together and play POKER.  so you might say, "why not change your name then?"  thats like our government telling american citizens that they should all change their names to one of anglo origin just because we dont like other names.  and why should a username make it hard for me to get into games?  if i was an asshole in chat or a complete donk at cards, i would understand.  however, this is not the case.  

  i asked the same thing about the lucifer tag which clearly offends MORE people than an al-qaeda reference ever could.  (i personally dont care) the point is, our usernames are used to identify a person...we dont necessarily identify WITH our username.  clearly, i am not a terrorist(neither am i an alien who eats cats)...and to get comments like "i wish i knew where you lived so i could beat your ass" is kinda funny, but mostly ignorant.  

  most people have met me with good opportunities for card games, but since i live in south korea at the moment, it is hard to find games at decent times of day.  thus, i am stuck with certain people that host regularly at the times i am on.  i have in no way MADE a bad reputation for myself, but still get hammered with the "ban" button, even as an observer.  that is the most ridiculous of all...they ban me as an OBSERVER when im not even talking!  

  all in all, i love DD and just enjoy playing cards.  i would go to other online poker sites if korean isp allowed it, but i cannot.  when people try to play god and tell me i cant play because of something like this, it makes me realize how caught up people get on the small things...let it go, and let me play.

alf
qaeda
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BITEME!
"those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind"


 Dr. Seuss......................... says it all!

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RJKrash
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DDPSucks wrote
 You are a well-known racist redneck that has made it standard practice to ban minorities and "people of color" from your games!
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!

You got the wrong guy bud.  Tell me your name and the names of any I banned for those reasons.



That is a screen shot of my ban list.  I ban only those who have or continue to cause problems.  Are you on that list?

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RJKrash
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alf you are well within your rights to play under any alias you choose.  I left a game in solidarity of your being refused a place at the table.  I was only suggesting you change so that you may enjoy the games here rather than suffer the drama.  Somethings just strike a nerve and some people just can't get past their fatuous Fox News mentality of how they see the world.

Good luck at the tables
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RJKrash
Noko if you had been around more and not off in the killing fields with your penis envy e-guns you would know I have changed my ways and am no longer a redneck and have matured my cannibal ways to 18+ year old females only.  So fuck off you Irish Horseshoe carrying chip stealing Bastid.

Love,

Krash
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Sly_Fox
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alfqaeda wrote
a few thoughts:
  some have asked me about my tag, to which i have told them all the same thing.  my name is alf and one of my university friends made a crack "alfqaeda" one day and it just stuck as a funny joke nickname.

  while i understand that people have the right to deny me access to private games, being banned from "open" games for no other reason than my username is bogus.  i have proven to be a good player as well as a respectful chatter.  

  so on one hand, people say "well, just change your name because its offensive."  to me, this goes against the concept of what DD is...namely, a place for people to come together and play POKER.  so you might say, "why not change your name then?"  thats like our government telling american citizens that they should all change their names to one of anglo origin just because we dont like other names.  and why should a username make it hard for me to get into games?  if i was an asshole in chat or a complete donk at cards, i would understand.  however, this is not the case.  

  i asked the same thing about the lucifer tag which clearly offends MORE people than an al-qaeda reference ever could.  (i personally dont care) the point is, our usernames are used to identify a person...we dont necessarily identify WITH our username.  clearly, i am not a terrorist(neither am i an alien who eats cats)...and to get comments like "i wish i knew where you lived so i could beat your ass" is kinda funny, but mostly ignorant.  

  most people have met me with good opportunities for card games, but since i live in south korea at the moment, it is hard to find games at decent times of day.  thus, i am stuck with certain people that host regularly at the times i am on.  i have in no way MADE a bad reputation for myself, but still get hammered with the "ban" button, even as an observer.  that is the most ridiculous of all...they ban me as an OBSERVER when im not even talking!  

  all in all, i love DD and just enjoy playing cards.  i would go to other online poker sites if korean isp allowed it, but i cannot.  when people try to play god and tell me i cant play because of something like this, it makes me realize how caught up people get on the small things...let it go, and let me play.

alf
qaeda
Great post alfqueda.

You make me very happy that I was the first one to defend your right to use any alias you wish that is not demeaning nor offensive to any person or group. It is interesting to see some people who agree with my views.

I am very happy to see that you will be staying here. I have a question for you. Are you a USA citizen in South Korea, Yes or No ?

I ask because very many of the American citizens claim to be supportive of all US Military people who are based all over the World. I was wondering if you might be a US Military Soldier based in South Korea as a protection force for the USA.

It would be an irony if you were indeed a Soldier serving duty in South Korea and that someone might take you to task for your right to select a username of your choice and if that someone would consider themselves so much a patriot that they would ban you from their games without knowing anything about you.

See you at the tables alf.

Slyfox
Burn the candles, use the nice sheets, wear the fancy lingerie. Don't save it for a special occasion. Today is special.
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bigfoot1
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    ddp...u are funny...you are simply making it up as you go.I remember being 14 years old...sort of.
lmao....pat
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cubbie
OK,,,,this all started with me,,,lol go figure. I was hosting big shasta's after party game and it was an invite only. Obs was open. Alfqaeda was in obs and asked if he could play,,, i asked him about the origin of his alias and then told me the whole story,,, which a can appreciate nicknames being handed down on you by friends,,lol,,i have many. However i find the name offensive to ME,,,and disrespectful to the troops we have in afghanistan and iraq,, but that's only my opinion,,and it wasnt personal against you,,,as a host I have an obligation to make every1 in my game feel welcome and not offended,,,it is my right as a host,,,and i host many open games and love to play with all newcomers,,, i just feel ur alias is offensive to me and could be to many of our war veterans who play DD poker.  Alf,,,you are not banned from my games,, just that alias is,,i'm sorry but i have to stand by my convictions.  I would never ask u to change your alias,,that is your right to call urself whatever u want,,all's i'm sayin is that alias will never play in my games,,and that's too bad because i checked your stats and it looks  like you're a solid player  welcome to DD poker Alf hope you stick around.
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bigfoot1
   cub,
  I applaud you for standing for what you believe.You are also right...again..the beauty of dd.No clones here.There is room here for many ideas and beliefs.

pat
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WineO
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Cubbie,

I have played many games that you have hosted. You are a great host. I hope the statement "all's i'm sayin is that alias will never play in my games,,and that's too bad because i checked your stats and it looks  like you're a solid player  welcome to DD poker Alf hope you stick around." that you made will not ban me from your games. My alias name is WineO and my other name is WayneO. There is a reason for this that I will not get into because it does not apply to this issue. Just my thoughts.

Thanks,
WineO (WayneO)
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